| Multimedia Games, Inc.
HOST: Mr. Gordon Graves
DATE: January 29, 2003
OPERATOR: With us today from the company is the Chairman
of the Board and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Gordon Graves; the
Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Craig Nouis; and the President and
Chief Operations Officer, Mr. Clifton Lind; Director of Investor
Relations, Miss Julia Spencer. Once today's presentations are complete,
we will conduct a 30-minute question and answer session. At this
time, I'd like to turn the call over to Miss Spencer. Please go
ahead.
JULIA SPENCER: Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and
welcome to Multimedia Games’ conference call and live webcast.
Today, we will be discussing our earnings for the first quarter
of the 2003 fiscal year. You may access the webcast from our company
web site at www.multimediagames.com. The webcast will also be archived
and available from the same location. After the management team
has presented our quarterly results, we will open up the call to
your questions, but will limit the question-and-answer session
to 30 minutes. I will now turn the call over to Paul Hurdlow, who
will read our Safe Harbor statement – Paul?
PAUL HURDLOW: In today's call, management will make forward-looking
statements within the meaning of federal and state securities laws,
including statements about regulatory developments, operating results,
the competitive environment and business opportunities. These predictions
are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause results
to differ materially from those predicted. And many of these risks
are described from time to time in our press releases and periodic
filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Interested
parties are encouraged to review those risks prior to making decisions
to invest in the company's stock.
JULIA SPENCER: Thank you, Paul. Now, I'd like to introduce
Gordon T. Graves, our CEO and Chairman of the Board – Gordon?
GORDON GRAVES: Thanks, Julia. We're happy to report that
our first quarter diluted earnings of 50 cents per share marked
another healthy increase over the corresponding quarter for the
previous year. Gross revenue increased 42%, diluted earnings per
share increased 52%, and EBITDA increased 51% over the first quarter
of FY 2002. Our earnings were at the high end of our projected
range of performance. As a shareholder, I'm very pleased with our
performance, especially in the face of the remaining reverberation
from the April NIGC ruling that MegaNanza was not a Class II game,
and increased Class II competition.
Our gross revenue increased this quarter over the previous quarter
that ended in September by an annualized rate of about 36%, even
though the December quarter has historically been our weakest and
the September quarter our best. Diluted earnings per share increased
over the previous quarter at a 25% annualized rate.
I'm very optimistic that clarification of game classification
rules will soon increase player station demand and free us up to
introduce more game themes in a manner that will compensate for
the added competitive pressures that the clarification process
is bringing. In addition, we're also starting to see our market
segment diversification efforts blossom, both in bringing our Class
II games to new jurisdictions, and in bringing our video lottery
games to the state lottery market.
Now, to further discuss the company's operations and more detailed
first quarter results, it's my pleasure to introduce our President
and Chief Operating Officer, and in the next month, our new Chief
Executive Officer, Clifton Lind.
CLIFTON LIND: Thank you, Gordon. Our first quarter earnings
for fiscal year 2003 came in at the high end of our previous guidance.
You might recall that last quarter for the first time we issued
guidance as a range of values rather than giving specific earnings
projections. Our guidance range was from 47 cents to 50 cents for
the quarter and $2.30 to $2.60 for the year. We followed this approach
because of the uncertainty of timing of several potential strategic
Class II player station placements. I explained that if the expected
placements were to occur early in the year, earnings for fiscal
2003 would be at the upper end of that range. Conversely, if multiple
major placements did not materialize, or if these placements occurred
near the end of the year, our earnings would be more likely at
the lower end of the range. While the extraordinary placements
above our usual quarterly projections have not yet occurred, we
have either reached agreements with or are still actively negotiating
with customers and prospects who have requested that we be in a
position to deliver a significant number of player stations on
short notice. We remain optimistic about the prospects of such
placements in the third and fourth quarters of this fiscal year.
If our FY03 diluted earnings per share come in at the lower end
of our guidance range, they will represent a 32% increase over
FY02. If we attain the upper end of our guidance range, our diluted
earnings per share will represent a 49% increase over FY02. It
appears that falling anywhere within this range will put us at
the top of our peer group.
On a related note, to position the company to rapidly fill large
expected orders, our player station inventory still remains higher
than we would consider normal. Notwithstanding the current high
levels, by the end of the third quarter of FY03, we expect to see
inventory levels return to normal levels.
We remain on track with our preparations to deploy the central
video lottery system for racetracks in the State of New York, and
are pleased with our progress to date. As reported earlier, we
have executed our contract with the New York lottery and await
acceptance of the final agreement by the New York State Comptroller.
Next week we will begin testing the third integrated build of the
operating system, and still expect on-schedule deployment before
the end of the calendar year.
Regarding our core Class II business, we are encountering more
opportunities and greater challenges than ever before. These significant
opportunities have attracted additional competition and place increased
pressure on the margins that we have enjoyed in the past. On the
upside, we have signed an agreement to support a casino expansion
project for one of our major Oklahoma customers. This project will
result in the placement of a significant number of additional player
stations in April or May. Obtaining additional agreements, however,
will likely be more difficult at this time because of the general
uncertainty regarding the policies of the new State Administration
in Oklahoma. However, we continue to be actively involved in discussions
and negotiations of other opportunities, both within Oklahoma and
in other jurisdictions.
I wish to address the fact that the quarters ending June 30, September
30 and December 31st, 2002, exhibited insignificant growth in net
revenues and earnings over the quarter ending March 31st of that
year. This might mistakenly give the impression that our quarter-to-quarter
earnings have reached a plateau. As you are probably aware, the
impact of the April 2002 NIGC ruling was substantial in terms of
both business interruption and expense incurred. Most disruptive
was the impact of porting all of our games to an interim standard
sequence bingo game engine, and then subsequently to a more elegant
standard sequence engine.
The redirection of our development staff's effort and our longstanding
commitment to our strategic partners not to run their games on
a platform that has been alleged to be something other than Class
II, resulted in a substantial delay in the release of many new
proprietary and licensed titles. This delay, the related expenses
and the reluctance of our customers and prospects to make new commitments
pending the resolution of this issue, resulted in what we believe
to be a temporary interruption in our quarter-to-quarter earnings
growth. We feel that we are beginning to overcome these concerns
and disruptions, and expect to have many new Class II titles in
the market in the near future. We believe that these new titles
will attract new players to our customers' facilities and provide
additional revenue for all of us.
As I have watched our team during these chaotic times, I have
become increasingly impressed with the quality of the outstanding
management team and staff that we have assembled. I am confident
that this great team will provide innovative, exciting new content
and products and services to our customers and build solid value
for our shareholders. While we remain convinced that Class II and
the video lottery gaming will grow substantially over the coming
years, we are also focusing substantial efforts on taking technology
to new markets and developing new products for new and emerging
markets.
Our technology team is committed to being the market leader by
providing the industry with the best and most entertaining content,
and the most innovative products and services. This should allow
us to continue showing both top-line and bottom-line growth, and
thereby provide the basis for potential above-average returns for
our shareholders.
As all of you are aware, certain aspects of Native American gaming
have been the focus of recent negative attention in national publications.
Over the last six years, I have personally witnessed the good that
has come to the tribes from Class II and Class III gaming activities.
I am honored to work with the distinguished tribal leaders who
labor diligently to deliver their tribal members the economic and
social benefits of gaming, as Congress intended. Contrary to what
the articles may indicate, based on our day-to-day experience with
the tribal regulators, they are doing an outstanding job of self-regulating
tribal gaming activities.
We have been encouraged by the leadership, actions and the positive
statements that have been made by NIGC chairman Phil Hogan, and
by the level of effort extended by Chairman Hogan and the two associate
commissioners to position Class II and Class III gaming activities
to provide the economic, educational and health stimulus they intended
for the tribes. It is my belief that the NIGC was meant to be a
resource for the tribes, and the new commission appears to be approaching
its role in a collaborative and consultative manner. While we don't
presume to speak for tribal leaders, we find this approach to be
positive, refreshing and encouraging. Also contrary to the articles,
it is our experience and belief that the NIGC is staffed by competent,
dedicated professionals who are doing an extraordinary job with
the scarce resources that they have.
As I mentioned before, because of the increased interest in Class
II gaming, we're facing an increased level of competition from
old and new competitors. It is becoming increasingly important
for us not to reveal certain information, such as hold per day,
number of placements in our revenue share. We believe that we are
the only company in our peer group that has consistently provided
this level of detailed insight into our operations. While we understand
that this granular information can assist analysts and investors
in constructing their detailed models, we have concluded that providing
this information to our competitors is not, on balance, in the
interest of MGAM and its shareholders. Therefore, in an effort
to protect the company's long-term growth, we will no longer be
disclosing this information. We trust that all investors will understand
and support the reasons for our decision.
Now I'd like to turn the meeting over to Craig Nouis, our CFO,
to review the quarter's financial highlights. After Craig's discussion,
we will take your questions – Craig?
CRAIG NOUIS: Thank you, Clifton. Our first-quarter highlights
are as follows. Diluted earnings per share for the first quarter
of 2003 were 50 cents per share compared to 33 cents per share
for the same quarter of 2002. This represents a 52% increase. This
year's first quarter EBITDA was $16.5 million, compared to $10.9
million for the first quarter last year. These increases were driven
by a 42% increase in our net revenues, which were primarily the
result of new placements of our New Generation player stations,
offset in part by a decrease in the number of Legacy games and
a decrease in our hold per day. As we've discussed in the past,
we expect our hold per day to continue decreasing as we place additional
player stations in existing halls, and as the quality of our competitors’ games
improves.
Sequentially, our diluted earnings per share increased 6% over
the fourth quarter of fiscal 2002, resulting from a 10% increase
in net revenues over the previous quarter. This increase in revenue
is driven by a 16% increase in the installed base of our player
stations, offset by an 8% decrease in our average hold per day.
Our placements during the quarters do include some Class II units
in California. We are pleased with the player acceptance of our
Reel-Time bingo games in California, but as Clifton has indicated,
for competitive reasons, we're not discussing any more specific
information relating to these placements.
For the first quarter, we had a 4% increase in our operating costs
over the fourth quarter of fiscal 2002. This increase was the result
of a decrease in SG&A expenses, and an increase in depreciation
expense. SG&A expenses decreased from $9.5 million for the fourth
quarter of 2002, to $9.1 million for the first quarter of 2003.
This was the result of a number of SG&A line items decreasing,
including legal and professional fees. As expected, SG&A expense
as a percent of net revenue has decreased from 40% to 35% over
the same period. In the future, we believe that salaries and wages
will continue to rise, as we add staff to meet current demands.
However, we expect SG&A expense as a percentage of net revenues
to continue to decline as our installed base of player stations
increases.
Depreciation expense has increased 14% from $3.9 million for the
fourth quarter of 2002, to $4.4 million for the first quarter of
2003. This is due to net property and equipment increasing 15%,
from $40.1 million as of September 30th, 2002, to $46.3 million
as of December 31st, 2002. During the quarter we had total capital
expenditures of $10.4 million, which includes $6.1 million of non-cash
transfers of player stations from inventory into property and equipment.
We continue to have a strong balance sheet. Our cash has increased
$2.9 million from the previous quarter, and our inventory level
has decreased from $14.6 million as of September 2002, to $12.5
million as of December 2002. This decrease in inventory was the
result of placing Class II games during the quarter, and minimizing
the purchase and production of new player stations.
While we did not place any additional Class III games during the
quarter, we do expect to have some Class III placements during
the remainder of the fiscal year. Over the next couple of quarters,
we also expect our inventory levels to return to normal, as we
anticipate one or more significant placements in new facilities.
Consistent with prior guidance, we continue to believe that our
earnings per share for the year will fall somewhere in the range
from $2.30 to $2.60 per share. We do not expect to see an impact
from any of the potential new facilities during the second quarter.
As we explained earlier, the range in guidance is due to the uncertainty
surrounding the timing of placements in potential new gaming facilities.
Now, with that, we'll open the call up to your questions.
OPERATOR: Thank you, sir. Today's question and answer session
will be conducted electronically. If you'd like to signal to ask
a question, please press the star key followed by the digit one
on your touch-tone telephone. Once again, that is star one for
questions. And we'll pause for just a moment so everyone has a
chance to signal. Our first question comes from Jeff Martin with
Roth Capital Partners.
JEFF MARTIN: Thank you. Good morning, Craig, Clifton and
Gordon. How are you? Question on the accounts receivable. You had
a $3.3 million increase, according to my calculation, from fourth
quarter to first quarter. Could you give us a little detail on
that and what the composition of the accounts receivable is?
CRAIG NOUIS: Yes. There's actually a good reason for the
increase. You know, the end of this current quarter obviously includes
the week after Christmas, from December 26th through December 31st.
And that is our busiest week of the year. So, first of all, it
was driven by an increased level of play on our stations at the
end of the quarter. In addition to that, the – most of the tribes'
accounting departments closed during that period, and we weren't
collecting our receivables during that period, so they were building.
But when I checked the receivable balance and the composition of
that balance, just the other day, it was back to normal levels,
which is about $5 or $6 million.
JEFF MARTIN: OK. Great. And then, on the New York video
lottery system rollout, do you have a better handle today on how
much of that $14.5 million or so that you'll be able to capitalize?
CRAIG NOUIS: That is still our current estimate.
JEFF MARTIN: You'll be able to capitalize all of it? Or
how much will flow through the P&L?
CRAIG NOUIS: Well, we will be capitalizing all of the hardware
costs, the equipment costs. And in terms of the software costs,
we will be capitalizing, you know, once we documented the development
and determined the feasibility, we began capitalizing the software
costs, which is the direct labor costs. And so, all of that will
be capitalized in addition to the equipment costs.
JEFF MARTIN: OK. And then one more question on your share
repurchase. What is your outlook on that? You've got a sizable,
you know, allocation. Have you taken any more aggressive stances
on looking at (repurchasing) shares?
CLIFTON LIND: The board has currently in place approval
for Gordon, Craig and me to buy back stock at our discretion. We
have not currently, to this date, chosen to buy any back in the
recent past, but that's an option that's open to us.
JEFF MARTIN: OK. Great. Thank you, guys.
CLIFTON LIND: Thank you.
OPERATOR: We'll take our next question from David Bain
with Seidler Company.
DAVID BAIN: Hi, guys. Good quarter. For a while now we've
used the 600 a quarter [EPS] install target. Now we've broken into
California, are we still using that same 600 target?
CLIFTON LIND: David, I – let me say that, consistent with
our decision to limit the amount of information that we give our
competitors - you know information about the quarterly growth and
our quarterly plan we think is better kept to ourselves rather
than broadcast for our new and our old competitors to hear. But
there, let me say that there has certainly been no reduction in
our targets for any of our quarterly placements.
DAVID BAIN: OK. OK. And Clifton you mentioned that the
company was going to support a casino expansion in April or May.
Can we get an idea of the magnitude of that kind of deal?
CLIFTON LIND: It will involve the placement of a net additional
600, 700 machines for us.
DAVID BAIN: OK, and then, with an article out last night,
and the text of the settlement between the NIGC and the Chickasaws,
it states that the Chickasaws don't admit to any wrongdoing and
the NIGC won’t levy any fines against the tribe in relation to
that NOV sent out by the former chairman. It obviously looks like
a way for the new Chairman to kind of move on to better things.
Can you provide any insights as to this in terms of your business?
CLIFTON LIND: We are not; we, of course, were not a party
of that government-to-government negotiation that took place. And
I can only say that many of us have heard the very encouraging
statements that Chairman Hogan has made about working with the
tribes as opposed to penalizing the tribes, and I think that his
actions to date have been very collaborative and consultative and
that he, there's no question that he is a man of his word so everybody
in, all of the tribal leaders in Indian countries that we talk
to are very, very positive about his leadership.
DAVID BAIN: OK, OK, well thanks guys.
CLIFTON LIND: Yes, thank you.
OPERATOR: We'll take our next question from Steven Neren
with Fahnestock and Co.
STEVEN NEREN: Clifton, last week I noticed when I was at
the Cal NIGA conference that Mr. Hogan and his two other Commissioners
were there. Can you make any comments about, pending the conference
and also especially in light of – sometime on Friday night, let's
see it started on Friday morning, there was an item from the Associated
Press where Mr. Hogan was quoted as saying that he thought some
of the compacts between the tribes and various states might be
illegal. And it seemed to be a direct confrontation with the upcoming
negotiations of California. Do you have any comments on either
one of those things?
CLIFTON LIND: Sure, first Mr. Hogan and the two Associate
Commissioners have done a wonderful job of hitting the ground running.
They have attended a large number of conferences since they were
sworn in in mid-December. And they're out visiting with the tribes,
consulting with the tribes, attending these conferences and learning
and talking and I think that is just an example of their management
style and their approach to working with the tribes. Obviously
the conference in California is a very meaningful conference for
the western tribes and it was not all that surprising that Mr.
Hogan and the other two commissioners were there. It would have
been surprising if they had not attended because that's such an
important segment of Native American gaming.
On his other comments in the paper, of course I have, I only know
what you and I both read in the paper, but it is absolutely correct
that the National Indian Gaming Act prohibits states from taxing
any form of Indian gaming. However they can participate in a revenue
share if they grant privileges to the tribe such as exclusivity
or other things. And so the BIA and the NIGC are always very supportive
in reviewing any potential contracts to make sure that what the
states are doing is just not a tax on the gaming that's being conducted
by the tribes. So I found his comments, as other tribal leaders
did, to be very supportive of the tribes’ position in the upcoming
negotiations, so that's all that I read into that, Steve.
STEVEN NEREN: Can we expect clarification from what I would
assume, since both the Pechangas and another tribe, the Morongos,
have taken on some of your games. Do they expect a clarification
from the NIGC that the new Reel Time Bingo is a firstly a Class
II game in the not too distant future?
CLIFTON LIND: As you may have noticed, I don't know that
you were in the booth at the time, but at the request of a number
of California tribes, the Commissioners did personally review Reel
Time Bingo for the first time. That was not done at our request.
That was done at the request of the tribes. And I think the Commissioners
will take what they learned back, and of course the staff is actually
in charge of the ultimate review of games when the tribes asked
that they be reviewed. So I certainly think that the NIGC will
be responsive to the staff's request, but again, that is a result
of government-to-government discussions, and I would not presume
to know anything about the schedule of those or would not want
to indicate to you that they were there at our request because
we had nothing to do with their visit to the booth. They came at
the request of the tribes.
STEVEN NEREN: Clifton, one other item. Someone just talked
about the, you know, placement expansion, but by helping out a
tribe in Oklahoma. And you talked about placing 600 to 700 machines
possibly in April and May. Is that the final number of machines
or is that first in a series, possibly, if this thing, because
I know some of these [are] mobile units; and will this particular
facility be expanded beyond the initial 600 and 700 machines?
CLIFTON LIND: Steve, the facility I was talking about is
not in California.
STEVEN NEREN: No, no. I know. The one in Oklahoma. You
referred earlier to it that you were going to help a...
CLIFTON LIND: Well, yes, all of the tribes believe that
any expansions that they do now are just a step in, a continued
expansion of their facilities. So in the tribes’ mind and our view
this would be the first phase and, if the performance of these
machines justify it, then the tribe will certainly in its own interest
look at expanding the facility and we hope that we will be one
of the vendors that benefits from that.
STEVEN NEREN: Could you tell us what's next in Red River?
CLIFTON LIND: Well the, it is certainly a tribe that is
near the Texas border so that's, there are some who have referred
to those as Red River opportunities, yes.
STEVEN NEREN: Thank you.
OPERATOR: Our next question today comes from David Rainey
with Akre Capital.
DAVID RAINEY: Great, thank you very much. Could you give
me a sense for what the capitalized expenses were in the quarter
that were not related to the manufacture of games?
CLIFTON LIND: The capitalized software costs?
DAVID RAINEY: Well either software or any other costs that
you might have capitalized.
CLIFTON LIND: We capitalized probably about a total of
$600,000 of software, which relates to both game development software
costs for our game themes and a new gaming platform, and for the
New York lottery.
DAVID RAINEY: OK, so if you're capitalizing New York lottery
software costs you've reached the point of feasibility?
CLIFTON LIND: That's absolutely [right].
DAVID RAINEY: Right.
CLIFTON LIND: Yes.
DAVID RAINEY: OK, great. Can you give me a sense of the
level of costs you all have absorbed since the NIGC letter in April
that relate to the necessity of switching games from MegaNanza
to the Reel Time platform? And kind of when those expenses will
be over and how I should be thinking about them, because I tend
to think of them not as ongoing but as one-time [expenses]?
CLIFTON LIND: That is true. That is something that we do
not track, so I don't have a quantified number at this point.
DAVID RAINEY: OK, are you...
CLIFTON LIND: In response to your question about when will
they be over, we think those unusual expenses are over at this
time.
DAVID RAINEY: OK, so then that means that those expenses
have been included in SG&A for the last nine months, is that right?
CLIFTON LIND: That is correct.
DAVID RAINEY: Or have they been capitalized?
CLIFTON LIND: No, no, no, there's not been anything capitalized.
DAVID RAINEY: OK great. And so you think those are primarily
behind you?
CLIFTON LIND: Absolutely.
DAVID RAINEY: OK, and can you give me a share count both
average for the quarter and at the end of the quarter on either,
on a diluted basis? I didn't see that in a release.
CLIFTON LIND: The share count average, on a [basic] and
diluted basis?
DAVID RAINEY: Right, and particularly if end of the quarter
is significantly different than the average share count you would
have used to calculate...
CLIFTON LIND: OK, as of 9/30/02, the basic share count
was 12 million eight [hundred thousand,] almost 12 million nine
[hundred thousand,]. The diluted share count was about 14.5 million.
DAVID RAINEY: OK. Great. And how about as of…
CLIFTON LIND: Twelve/31?
DAVID RAINEY: ... 12/30?
CLIFTON LIND: As of 12/31/02, basic was at 12.9 [million]
and the fully diluted was 14.8 [million].
DAVID RAINEY: Fourteen point eight [million]. OK, thank
you very much.
CLIFTON LIND: Thank you, David.
OPERATOR: And our next question comes from Ronald Rotter
with RLR Partners.
RONALD ROTTER: Thank you guys. I think you know, the market
is reacting quite negatively to the fact, and I understand why
you're doing it, but nonetheless the market is reacting negatively
to the fact that you're no longer giving us the amount of placements
and [order] backlog. And it makes it very, very difficult without
those numbers to really kind of home in on how well the company
is doing and what we should expect going forward. In the past you
have given quarterly guidance for the next quarter, and that certainly
wouldn't be of any competitive advantage to any of your competition.
Is there any particular reason, or do you care to give guidance
to what you expect for the March quarter in terms of revenues and
in terms of earnings?
CLIFTON LIND: Yes, Ron this is Clifton. We certainly expect
there to be growth, quarter-to-quarter growth, first quarter over
second quarter. And we...
RONALD ROTTER: You mean second quarter over first quarter.
CLIFTON LIND: Second quarter over first quarter, and we
are still sticking with our, with our lower end and upper end of
the range for the guidance for the year, and so the time...
RONALD ROTTER: But the question, you understand what I'm
saying. We have much less to base it on, you know, since we don't
know how many machines we had at the end of the quarter. We don't
know the difference between Reel Time and MegaNanza, and in the
past you have been very specific about giving quarterly guidance.
CLIFTON LIND: Yes.
RONALD ROTTER: I mean we're really in a major vacuum here
without this information, so I don't expect you to do all the work
for us, but now we're going from a lot of information to no information.
CLIFTON LIND: Well, let me just say, consistent with our,
with our reconfirmation of our previous guidance, you know, we
are confident that we will hit the lower range of the guidance,
so you can do your own numbers. We are not going to publish guidance
for this next quarter or for any of the quarters remaining in the
year.
RONALD ROTTER: OK, good.
CLIFTON LIND: OK.
OPERATOR: We'll take our next question from Bill Brady
with Presidio.
BILL BRADY: Yes, I was going to ask about the guidance
question, but, so we can assume it's going to be north of 50 cents,
is that correct?
CLIFTON LIND: Absolutely.
BILL BRADY: And even if you did the lower part, you would
have successive increases in the June and September quarter. It
gets $2.30 with the peer.
CLIFTON LIND: Yes that is correct.
BILL BRADY: OK now, you said you didn't install any Class
III games, so at the end of September you had 5,238 New Generation
and 2,398 Legacy, and the pattern has been that Legacy goes down
every quarter. So I get multiplying 1.16 times 7,236 gets you to
8,800 electronic play stations, and assuming that Legacy at least
stayed even or went down, all our increase would seem to be in
the New Generation, which would get you up to maybe 7,000, 6,800,
something like that, so it would be ...
CLIFTON LIND: But Bill, we greatly exceeded our goals for
placement of net New Generation games. However, one of our casinos
that we – our first casino closed down for remodeling and for new
management and we lost a higher than expected number of Legacy
games there. But, you know, the Legacy games – earnings on the
Legacy games is so much less than on the New Generation games.
The fact that we exceeded our goals for placement of New Generation
games more than overcame the loss of revenue in the – from the – as
exceeding slightly our expectation on taking out new – taking out
Legacy games.
BILL BRADY: Well, that adds up to, you’re right, greatly
exceeding maybe 1,500-1,600 Class – New Generation Class II [games].
So it would look like …
CLIFTON LIND: I don’t – I don’t get that math for the quarter
to work that way. That’s not consistent with our numbers. But …
BILL BRADY: Well, I guess we can do this offline, Clifton,
but it’s… the math or using the figures that you gave us of 16%
increases. But OK, we’ll do it offline.
CLIFTON LIND: Yes, let’s do it offline. You’re talking
about – you’re talking about off the press release?
BILL BRADY: Yes.
CRAIG NOUIS: We had a – ask me the question again, if you
don’t mind.
BILL BRADY: OK. 1.16 times 7,636.
CRAIG NOUIS: Right.
BILL BRADY: OK. That gives you increase of about 1,200
games. And assuming that none of it came from Legacy then all of
it had to come from New Generation. So am I just way off base or …
CLIFTON LIND: I think you’re just starting with wrong number,
different than the numbers that we have either in the press release
or numbers that we know to be the installed base. So …
BILL BRADY: OK.
CLIFTON LIND: … I mean, we’re happy to work with you on
that. We’d certainly get the numbers in line. But that’s incorrect
numbers and …
BILL BRADY: Do it offline or I’ll go back and check my
figures.
CLIFTON LIND: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
OPERATOR: We have a question from Danny Davila with Hibernia
South Coast.
DANNY DAVILA: Good afternoon, gentlemen, how are you?
CLIFTON LIND: Hey, Danny.
DANNY DAVILA: Clifton, I wonder to the extent that – let
me – let me go back to Bill’s question for a minute. I think what
he was looking at was the 4,900 or so base average that you gave
us for the last question. I think that’s a – the upside – or rather
the increase – the 16% increase was off of that number, correct?
CLIFTON LIND: That is correct.
DANNY DAVILA: OK. Well, to my question, I mean to the extent
that – I mean, what Ron was talking about, where we’re getting
very little information now. Maybe you could tell us where the
opportunities are where we might could see some upside in the March
quarter and the June quarter, and, you know, subsequent quarters
relative to whatever expectations are out there?
CLIFTON LIND: There’s – there are upside opportunity, Danny,
is every jurisdiction that we talked about in our last conference
call, in all the states that we’re working in in Class II. There’s
also upside opportunities as well in Class III. In addition to
that, not anything that will generate revenue this year, but we’re
in the midst of a proposal process for other video lottery systems.
And so, I mean, almost every market including the work that we’re
doing in charity, which we expect to be a contributor in FY ’04,
there are great upside opportunities. But I think that we’ve, you
know, mentioned today two of the states, Oklahoma and California,
which, depending on the tribe success and their compact negotiations,
will be either extremely meaningful for us or just meaningful for
us. But in any event, there’s great upside potential for us over
where we are today.
DANNY DAVILA: And is it safe to say that your – the inventory
that you have built is both to address the demand that you have
let’s say in markets like California, as well as the ongoing process
of converting your Legacy units to Reel Time Bingo?
CLIFTON LIND: That would be a fair statement. But actually,
we have, you know, our excess inventory right now with the machines
we have committed just to that one facility, you know, we are currently
placing additional orders for the later quarters of this year because
we will be out of machines by the end of the second quarter with
just what we know about today. I’m sorry, the second calendar quarter,
our third fiscal quarter.
DANNY DAVILA: Again, speaking hypothetically, assuming
somebody comes down from high off the NIGC mount and, you know,
and knowing it’s Reel Time Bingo, a Class II unit, is it your opinion
then that you’ll see orders accelerate at that point?
CLIFTON LIND: Oh, I think that will happen. I mean, we
have – we have many of our tribal customers today are converting
from MegaNanza to Reel Time Bingo. Reel Time Bingo, network wide,
is earning more than MegaNanza. So it’s to their financial interest
to do it regardless of whether or not there’s any clarification
that comes down from the NIGC. But this standard-sequence bingo
game, which the market knows as Reel Time Bingo, and the other
standard-sequence bingo games that we’re developing, so clearly
fall within both the old regulations and the old court cases and
the new regulations and definitions that we don’t expect there
to be a delay in the tribes’ installation of them.
As you know only so well, the tribes are the primary regulators
and approval process. And it’s only in certain situations that
they even bother to go to the NIGC and request that they approve
the games that – the California tribes are a special situation
because they don’t want to do anything that would be detrimental
to their compact negotiation effort. But we expect great placements
with or without any action from NIGC in a formal sort of way.
DANNY DAVILA: Great. Lastly then, if I understood your
dialogue correctly, with respect to earnings, we’ve set a – I think
a quarterly floor so we can expect no worse than 50 cents a quarter
in earnings power from this company?
CLIFTON LIND: Certainly that’s the case. And, Danny, to
achieve – even though I have said that the major placements are
going to occur in our third fiscal quarter and our fourth fiscal
quarter, you know, certainly there has to be reasonable growth
this next quarter in order for us to reconfirm, as we’ve done today,
our $2.30 cents floor in the range. And so you certainly can expect
quarter-to-quarterly growth. We believe that it’s there.
DANNY DAVILA: Thank you so much.
CLIFTON LIND: Thank you, Danny. Thank you for your long-term
support.
DANNY DAVILA: You’re welcome.
OPERATOR: And it looks like we have a question from Chad
Cooper with Roth Capital. Please go ahead, sir.
CHAD COOPER: Thank you. Good afternoon, guys.
CLIFTON LIND: … Chad.
CHAD COOPER: Given the fact that you’re no longer placing
any more MegaNanza games in the field and taking into account the
perceived risk of having that installed base out there – kind of
referencing the article that was just out there, can you provide
quarterly updates going forward on the installed base of MegaNanza
games that are still out in the field?
CLIFTON LIND: We can certainly give you a indication of
the percentage of games out there that are running on each one
of the platforms. But I don’t know what article you were referring
to. And again, we firmly believe that the courts will find – if
there is a reason to ask the courts, but we don’t see any reason
to fight if the tribes all convert to Reel Time Bingo. We believed
when we took the game out there that it was Class II. We believe
it’s even more clearly Class II under the current definition, and,
you know – and would not want to get off this conference call with
anyone believing there’s any more perceived risk today with that
installed base. In fact, I think there’s less risk because the
tribes are converting, you know, of their own economic interest,
to the Reel Time Bingo system each week that goes by.
CHAD COOPER: Can you give an indication in terms of timing
as far as when it might be that there are no more MegaNanza games
out there, that all the …
CLIFTON LIND: I will be – look, these tribes are run by
very astute business managers. I will be greatly surprised if five-six
months from now there would be any MegaNanza games running out
there. Chad Cooper Great, thank you.
OPERATOR: And the question and answer session has now reached
its 30-minute mark. I would like to turn the conference back over
to our speakers for any additional or closing remarks.
CLIFTON LIND: Especially for the analysts who have been
so loyally following our company in the past, I want to assure
them as well as the investors that there is no attempt at this
point in time to hide the ball from either our investors or our
analysts. Conversely, we were very forthcoming when our model was
not as complex as it is today. As Danny and David Bain know, you
know, three years ago they could build a three-parameter model
and fairly accurately predict what our earnings were going to be
for the next quarter or even the next year. But as we have expanded
into new markets and as we have started investing and developing
products for the charity markets and the video lottery markets
that three-parameter model is simply less predictable.
We believe that this company is going to be evaluated in the long
run by the investment community based on its continued growth quarter
to quarter, and earnings per share and net free cash flow. And
this management team is dedicated to accomplishing that. And we
would not be reconfirming our guidance in the range of $2.00 to
$2.60 at this time if we did not believe we were going to be showing
consistent quarterly quarter-to-quarter growth.
However, the public information is being used to our great disadvantage
with both our customers and to the great advantage of our competitor.
And so it’s just appropriate that we go into a mode of disclosing
less information that in the long run will hurt us by costing us
additional business or affecting our margin. We hope that you all
will understand this. And I think I’m being reminded by Craig I
might have misspoke. I meant to say $2.30 to $2.60. Craig says
I said $2 and I apologize for that.
But in any event, we expected the market to react negatively to
the fact that we’re not going to disclose as much information publicly
in the future. And I hope that the market will take some comfort
in our renewed commitment to quarter-to-quarter growth in earnings
and net free cash flow, and will give us a short chance here to
prove that the words that we just said are going to be accomplished.
However, after much internal discussion, the entire management
team has concluded that we’re just running into our public information
too often and that the details are hurting us in nearly all aspects
of our business. And I can assure you that we will give guidance
which to the best of our knowledge is going to be achieved and
that it will be guidance that is reasonable. We’re neither going
to high-ball you or low-ball you in order to make our job easy.
And so I would invite the investing community to listen carefully
to our guidance, because we arrive at that guidance after much
analysis and discussion, and would not be saying anything we did
not believe we were going to achieve.
With that, let me turn the meeting over to Gordon Graves for any
closing comments that he might have. And thank you all for you
support and we look forward to the next investors’ conference call
with even better information and expectations. Gordon?
GORDON GRAVES: Thanks very much, Clifton.
I don’t think that there’s any question that as a result of a
number of things that Clifton has mentioned and that some of the
questioners mentioned that the clarification of the ground rules
for classifying games is getting clearer and clearer. And I think
that that’s going to be – that’s added some competition for us
but also I think it adds tremendous growth opportunities and our
future’s never looked brighter. Thanks so much for your interest
today.
OPERATOR: This does conclude today’s conference call. You
may now disconnect.
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